"Dream - Presidential candidate (capres) Anies Baswedan admitted that he never imagined he would participate in the 2024 presidential debate. Anies stated that he never envisioned from the beginning of being a moderator for the presidential debate to now being a participant in the debate. "I never imagined that 5 years later, I would be in a position accompanying a candidate, and 10 years later now in 2023, I am the one who has to debate. Let's just go through our life journey, but it's all part of the journey," said Anies upon arriving at the KPU, Tuesday, December 12, 2023."