In this case, he gives an example. For example, if someone wants to exchange one million rupiah with the desired denomination of money, then the total remains one million. As for the exchange fee, it is given through other transactions, outside of the money exchange transaction. Money exchange transactions where the fee is deducted directly from the exchanged amount, then it is considered usury practice. Buya Yahya also said that when exchanging, not only the value should be the same, but the delivery must also be the same. If it is not the same, then it is considered usury.